A: It is a mixture of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu ground exercises, yoga, stretching, breathing techniques and strength training. I use the movements of the primitive man; I researched how they gathered food or ran on the beach, and they were very strong.
It is important to realize the difference in Ginastica Natural and going to the gym or running. When you lift weights, you are training strength. When you're running, you‟re training your cardio. Here, we can train it all together: strength, flexibility, cardio, everything.
I was born in Rio de Janeiro, and my life was a life outside. I didn‟t use weight machines; my only exercise was outside exercise. I played in the trees and street. I lived near the beach. I love surfing, going to the beach, exercising and being outside. This is a lifestyle. This is Ginastica Natural; these were the influences that created Ginastica Natural. If you take this out from my life, this is not Ginastica Natural. If I were born in Sao Paulo, it would have been different.
BJJ: Do you use only your bodyweight, no machines at all?
A: I never used machines. A long time ago, machines had not been developed yet. I‟d go outside, play soccer, surf, run, swim. Today, I‟ll try machines, and sometimes I like it, but people today need variation in their training. They should not just work weights
BJJ: What part of your body gets stronger when you practice Ginastica Natural?
A: All parts get stronger; you use your body weight, isometric exercises, dynamic strength. In two to three months, you will start to see a change in your body. I changed the movement your body has, and it is never the same.
I study my body all the time; the life for me is the study of the movement. I create more and more exercises because you need a change for your body. If you keep doing the same exercises, your body gets used to it. You need challenge all the time in your life.
BJJ: How important is the breathing? Do you use yoga breathing?
A: Breathing is very important in your life. If you don‟t eat one day, it‟s ok. If you don‟t sleep one day, it‟s ok. But if you
BJJ: How many hours do you practice Ginastica Natural a day?
A: I‟ll train for five or six hours a day. I teach many classes every day. It‟s a challenge. There are many different people, strong guys and/or people who need flexibility. Some days I develop new movements; it is challenging and I like it. I give 60 seminars a year; I go to Portugal, United States, Brazil and Australia. I also do a seminar on a fitness cruise called “Well Being Cruise” in Brazil, and talk about the quality of life.
BJJ: Can you tell us some of the names of famous fighters who do Ginastica Natural?
A: I have trained Rickson, Murilo Bustamante, Margarida… a lot! After I came to the US, I‟ve been teaching Xande, Saulo
BJJ: Is Ginastica Natural mainly for fighters?
A: No, Ginastica Natural is for everybody. It is for women who want to lose weight. It‟s for businessmen. We can create a class to do what you want. I also gave a class for the FBI, CIA, SWAT and police department. I create a program depending on what you want.
BJJ: You are the founder of Ginastica Natural and a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt.
A: Yes, I started Jiu-Jitsu in 1976 at Gracie Academy in Copacabana Beach. This was a Rolls(*2) and Carlson Gracie school. Rolls is my idol. I was acquainted with Relson (*3) and Rickson because I saw them all the time surfing. Relson is the first Gracie who surfed. In 1975, I went to Peru to go surfing. Rolls invited me to his house in Peru, showed me the philosophy for Jiu-Jitsu for my life, and the Gracie diet that his father Carlos Gracie created. He said when you go back to Brazil, come to my academy and start Jiu-Jitsu, and I said “OK!”. It changed my life. Fabio Santos [was] my classmate in the university. Fabio Santos, Rolls and I were always together. At Rolls‟, I never paid because I helped his class with warm ups. At that time, nobody did stretching.
BJJ: You got your black belt from Rolls?
A: No, Rolls died unfortunately. One week after he died, I got my brown belt from Carlos Gracie. After that, Rickson gave me my Black Belt. I consider myself a Black Belt by Rolls and Carlos Gracie as well. I trained with Rickson and Rolls. Rolls died, and Rickson has given the evolution of Jiu-Jitsu.I remember one time that I gave a Ginastica Natural class to Rickson and Marcelo Behring (*4) in Gracie Humaita Academy, and after that, we three trained Jiu-Jitsu together. It was very nice. After Rolls died, sometimes I went to Rickson Gracie academy and trained. Rickson, Master Helio Gracie, Royler, and Royce were there. Royce was only 15, 16 years old. Fabio Santos and me also went to the Helio Gracie‟s house in the mountain, and trained with Rickson, Rolls, [and] Royler. Rolls, Rickson and Carlos give me a lot of opportunities in Jiu-Jitsu to train. After Rolls died, Carlos opened Gracie Barra, [which is a] very good school. My son trains there now, I like it. It‟s the school of the gi.
BJJ: Rolls is said to be one of the best of the Gracies and died very young, so there he is a legend.
A: Rolls is the man; he had vision, he was forward thinking. He started videotaping training and he would show people. Everyone loves Rolls. He changed people‟s lives.
BJJ: How was his Jiu-Jitsu?
A: I went to the tournament, Rolls‟ fight. Everybody was counting “one, two, three”… What was this? It was how long it took Rolls to choke the guy. If you see Kron (*5) fight, it‟s similar: simple position, but no mistakes. He waits for his
I am very happy, because I have the opportunity to be in contact with his family, and I talk to his kids, Rolles, Igor, and Gregor, about their father. He gave me the direction for my life; it was very important for me.
BJJ: What did Rolls value in Jiu-Jitsu?
A: He always told his students, „submission‟. Rolls didn‟t stay in one position. He moved and changed positions. He had great Jiu-Jitsu movement. He was very intelligent. He had total control even against a big guy. His mind was very strong, too.
Everybody went to the Rolls Gracie academy: Rickson, Rillion Gracie (*7), the Machado brothers, Carlos Gracie Jr, Crolin Gracie (*8), everybody. He had a good class, good students; everybody liked it.
BJJ: Can you compare Rickson and Rolls?
A: It was a different time. Rolls only ran and surfed. Rickson was very strong; he focused on strength. The evolution of strength training has had a huge impact in recent years. It‟s a pleasure for me to watch Rickson fight. I can see real Jiu-Jitsu. I believe he can still fight. Paulo Filho says how great Rickson is. He is incredible. You don‟t believe the body
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is Gracie Jiu-Jitsu to me. Everybody has a line back to them, a connection. Maybe they never trained with Rolls, Rickson, or the Gracie family, but their master or their master„s master learned from the Gracie family.
BJJ: What is your nutritional program now?
A: It‟s different now than it was. A long time ago, I was 100% on the Gracie Diet. Now it‟s only 70% because I can‟t get the fruits here in the US that I could get in Brazil. But I don‟t eat red meat. I have just eaten chicken and fish for 23 years. I drink protein shakes now, but only when I train too much, and don‟t have good food near me. I am 51 years old, and I am in good shape. Why do I need to change? [Laughs]
BJJ: What is in store for you in the upcoming year?
A: This year, I'm going to teach my class at University of Jiu-Jitsu in San Diego once a week. I also teach my private
*1 ADCC is the Abu Dhabi Combat Club Submission Wrestling World Championship. Held every other year, it is considered the top grappling tournament in the world.
*2 Rolls is Carlos Gracie’s son who died in a hang gliding accident. (March 28, 1951 - June 6, 1982)
*3 Relson is the second oldest son of Helio Gracie.
*4 Marcelo Behring is a 5th degree Black Belt under Rickson Gracie. He died tragically in a drug deal. *5 Kron is Rickson Gracie’s son.
*6 Luta Livre is a broad term referring to wrestling in Brazil.
*7 Rillion Gracie is Carlos Gracie Jr’s brother.
*8 Crolin Gracie is also Carlos Gracie Jr’s brother.